BTTT - growth seems to be a hot topic among JW apologetics. Doesn't seem to jive with reality as shown in this thread though.
just n from bethel
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In your hall, how many converted to a JW from door to door in the last 10 years?
by just n from bethel inin mine that would be a big fat zero.. there have been a handful of teenage baptisms of jw children.. one that really was a foreign language group transfer.. but in the last ten years - there has not been one single convert from the d2d ministry.. btw - my congregation has had over 10 pioneers (real ones that actually do d2d, including elders) for the last decade.. not one.
10 x 70 hours a month x 120 months = 84,000 hours ... results = 0.. also most of our pioneers are pretty good at the door - some half way decent teachers.
one is sub co and another often is called to teach ... wait for it ... pioneer school!!!.
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
Here's another thing, and I realize my old English congregation is just one, so possibly not representative of all - but in my old hall, in the last 10 years, not one single person has converted to JWs from the door-to-door ministry. Not one. Here's a thread about it:
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
David said - "In practically all Witness congregations, the attendance figure is at least 2 times higher than the number of publishers."
Uhhh - when's the last time you went to a meeting? What about during CO visit? Know what attendence ratios are? think they're 200% like you claim? Try again. How about - 150%? Wrong again.
Sunday barely gets 90% while the newly combined TMS/service/bookstudy is still ekeing out 75, maybe 80%. Spanish might be a little higher - but I promise you this - it ain't " 2 times higher than the number of publishers."
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
HAHAHA - that's funny - the witness apologetic sites go directly against the society's directions. Many of the apologetic witnesses have been counseled directly by the society and severely reprimanded. The rest have to post anonymously, just like many here on JWN - why? Cause they know they are not in line with the GB. They are actually disobeying Christ according to the Watchtower. Funny thing, JWN started out as a Pro-Witness site.
As for any site turning people away from the org - or steering them back to it - utter nonsense.
My points were about new growth in the USA. More and more Americans today research products online before they buy. Religion included. English growth in the US is zero to negative - has been for years. This is from bethel and the COs.
The stats here show that Hispanics are less likely than other social populations in the US to use the internet, (and imho, especially for in-depth educational research). It's not hard to figure out that there is likely a correlation between recent lack of growth in US English halls, and non-hispanic potential converts researching the JWs online. Also of note, any potentially interested JW convert (RVs as they're called) researching the religion perhaps more often than not does so from neutral sites (not pro JW and not anti JW) like wikipedia and generic religious/creationist research. When doing so, they recognize that JWs fall into a cult-like category at worst, or a fundamentalist sect that still can't provide proof of the Bible's authenticity and believes humans are 6000 years old and a global flood occurred 4000 years ago. Unfortunately, for obvious social reasons that need not be mentioned, hispanics are the least likely in the US to research JWs from a neutral standpoint as could be done so easily online. Guess what? Hispanics convert to JW more than any other segment of the US population, along with their huge families, even though they often really don't understand the core theology of JWs.
And that - as the COs and bethel has confirmed, is where the US growth comes from. Also of note, a 4% growth does not even keep up with the hispanic immigration population growth - so there's really not much to brag about. It's like getting tax credits for having kids. Did my income really increase when I had another kid? What would my colleagues think of my math and accounting ability if I went around after I had another child and said, "I got a raise".
Anyway, one thing I know, I never went to one anti-JW internet site when I left the org in 2010. You know what I read that showed me JWs were absolutely in the wrong? The Bible. Also History and Science text books.
Unfortunately, I did turn in time in the 2010 service year. So I was in those numbers. Won't ever happen again, and that is one statistic you can take to the bank. I don't care if JWs convert every illegal immigrant north of the Rio Grande. Good for them.
What your thread has done though, is reminded us that no matter what - JWs will always think JWs are right. Numbers go up? Wow - little one becomes 1000. Numbers go down (Japan anyone)? Narrow and Cramped is the Road leading to JWs. That's the one thing I miss about being a JW, I was always right no matter what. For reminding us of that, we thank you.
By the Way - you know what other number keeps going up? Memorial Partakers. It won't be long before we'll have over 144,000 active partakers. I'd like to see that yearbook explanation.
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
So the question is - why would there be so many hispanics in the US convert to JW but very little non-hispanics? Not to make this a racial issue - but it is a social issue in the US right now (Arizona anyone?).
since this thread is about statistics (that seem incorrect) - here's another one:
"Latinos are less likely [ ... ] to access the internet, have a home broadband connection or own a cell phone, according to survey findings from the Pew Hispanic Center."
from: pewhispanic.org
Like I said on another thread - I was in Spanish for a number of years last decade. I saw the circuit split 3 times in 5 years. Know how many times the English circuit in the same area has split? Anyone? Anyone? If you answered Zero - you get a prize.
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
What is the US spanish populatation birth rate? Anybody wanna place bets that it's more than 4.7% ... I think I see a correlation.
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
Here's the new Watchtower logo to motivate all those in the US to keep this growth going (with a subliminal message about which territory to pursue):
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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just n from bethel
ANNOUNCEMENT: The governing body would like to say one word to all the the new members of Jehovahs Witnesses in the United States:
GRACIAS
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May 15 2011 WT - study edition out
by just n from bethel ini don't really care to download it and review it and see how it's the same old same old - but i do like to read up on others doing it here.
:) i'm a lazy leach like that.. so - get to it guys.. www.jw.org.
edit: haha- i said 2001 in the title - meant 2011.
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just n from bethel
Cool - thanks for the recap. sorry you had to read it.
